FIFA.com: What does the FIFA World Cup mean to you?
Dino Zoff: For me, the words 'World Cup'
evoke the happiest and most wonderful days of my sporting life.
Actually, I played at a few World Cups and brought the curtain down
on my playing career with victory at one of them (1982). So you can
imagine the sense of satisfaction and pleasure the competition
brings to mind.
Have you maintained close ties with the players you shared
your FIFA World Cup adventures with?
Club football brings some of us together from time
to time, and we still have a strong bond that comes from sharing
victory at the World Cup. Something like that is unforgettable, so
it's normal that friendships forged in those circumstances
should endure. Occasionally, I also meet some of the guys I played
against in those days, and it's always nice to have a few words
with them.
What was your secret? Did you have some special
psychological preparation or did that steely focus and poise come
naturally?
No, not at all. It goes without saying that you
prepare for a World Cup, as it's the ultimate in football. So
by the time you arrive there, you're already fully focused.
Moreover, we Italians have a very competitive and demanding
domestic championship, which is why I say concentration is a given.
I'd say the greatest danger would be an inability to deal with
this tension, but the
Azzurri have always gone into the World Cup with maximum
focus.
You played in three FIFA World Cups, and it might have been
four had you not lost out to Albertosi in 1970.
I'm happy with what I achieved, even if I was
annoyed not to play at Mexico 1970, the first World Cup finals I
was selected for. I had played in the side that won the European
Championship in Rome two years earlier, so I thought I'd start
in Mexico. However, in the end I didn't, and that was down to
coach Valcareggi and his first choice Albertosi, who, I should add,
was a really great keeper. I was quite upset at the time, but I was
able to play a full part in 1974, 1978 and 1982.
How do the three FIFA World Cups you played in compare?
Well in 1974, the Italian team arrived in Germany
with great expectations. I'd even made the cover of Newsweek
magazine, as I hadn't conceded an international goal for two
years (1972-74). But that World Cup didn't go well, not
necessarily for me, as I think I more or less did my job, but for
the team in general. I think it was because we were sort of between
generations at the time. Several players were coming to the end of
their careers, and the coach had several directors at the FA
heaping pressure on him. Everyone knows that when there are too
many generals, an army doesn't fare very well.
In 1978, on the other hand, we had a great World Cup -
everyone, that is, except me. I wasn't in great shape
physically and so didn't perform as I should have. Even today,
I'm still blamed for letting in that long-range effort (from
Arie Haan in our game against the Netherlands). Nowadays, strikes
like that are hailed as wonder-goals, but back then, everyone
blamed the goalkeeper. I accept I could have done better and that
we could have reached the Final, though I doubt we could've won
it. Argentina were very strong at the time, plus they had home
advantage. But, yes, I could have done more. Then, there was 1982.
Can we stay with 1978 for a moment longer. Rossi and
Gentile told us it was in Argentina that the all-conquering team of
Spain 82 began to come together.
Without a doubt, the 1982 team took shape in 1978.
We also had Bettega, who unfortunately missed the Spain World Cup
because of injury. He was a great player and a huge loss for us.
But the nucleus of the team was the same as 1978, and that's
when the seeds of the 1982 success were sown. The finals in Spain
were an extraordinary experience. We had that really frustrating
start with all the ensuing criticism, and then came the
instructions not to talk to the press. Generally speaking, Italy
are slow starters in major tournaments, and I think that stems from
the enormous pressure we're under and a fear of not getting
past the first round.
Nonetheless, there was a mechanism in place.
Yes there was, but there was still an awful lot of
tension in the (first) group phase, those opening three games.
After the Argentina finals, the start of the 1982 edition was very
hard, because everyone knew if we didn't survive the group
stage, it would be construed as a huge failure and be accompanied
by howls of protest. Consequently, the pressure was so intense that
the team was unable to express itself freely. Once we got past that
stage, we had a superb World Cup.
The defence had to shoulder much of the responsibility in
those opening three games.
I wouldn't say the defence was on the rack or
anything, just that we weren't playing as we could. We were too
reserved and too measured in our overall play. What I mean to say
is, there wasn't the freedom there that you need in order to
play well. Once we got over that, well, everyone knows what
happened.
As captain, how did you get messages across to your
team-mates during the games?
Messages? Well, I was 40 years old and their
captain, so I had the authority to make my voice heard. In truth,
though, in highly pressurised situations, it's difficult to
give messages to your team-mates. Once we got things in hand and
had stopped talking to the press, we could communicate more
directly.
Would it be fair to say you and Bearzot had a close
relationship?
Yes, you could say Bearzot confided in me, and that
there was a certain complicity, but I don't mean that in a
negative sense. I've always believed that everyone should be
where they belong. Bearzot was the coach, and the man ultimately
responsible. I'm convinced it was because of him we won the
World Cup. He managed to maintain unity in the side and knew when
to take the flak for us at difficult moments. He was almost like a
father to me - we're from the same part of Italy - and there
was always a deep respect for each other's position.
Aren't the people from your region famed for talking
little but working a lot?
Yes, what characterises we Friulans, or at least
what used to, is that we place more importance on facts than words.
We're not talkative people by nature. Bearzot believed, as I
do, that words have their own weight. When you say something, you
have to be accountable for it. Unfortunately, nowadays words have
been devalued. You can see that in all these false prophets who
talk endlessly but say nothing.
Were you privy to Bearzot's instructions?
No, because I didn't want to be. I've
always believed in respecting other people's work, and the
coach has to be the one responsible. As captain, I had a different
kind of responsibility. Occasionally he would say something to me
or confide in me, but it wouldn't have gone any further than
that.
Could you see Tardelli's goal (in the Final against
Germany) from where you were?
Yes, but more than the goal, I saw Tardelli's
reaction. After scoring he went totally...
Crazy?
He was a very passionate and instinctive man, and
so his reaction was only to be expected.
When you finally won the world title, did you give free
rein to your emotions?
Well, I never lost my composure, although I was
naturally thrilled with our win. If you think about it - it's
the World Cup, I'm 40 and also the captain, and we have all
these great results - we couldn't but be euphoric and do laps
of honour. That said, I've never been one for exaggerated
celebrations or over-enthusiasm on the pitch.
But it was the culmination of your career?
That's true, but I'm a great believer in
reasonable behaviour, out of respect for my adversary. I don't
like exaggerated gestures of exasperation and enthusiasm. I always
try to think about how my opponent must be feeling (when I win).
Did you ever dream you would bow out with the FIFA World
Cup Trophy tucked under your arm?
Well, there was a fair bit of controversy
surrounding the team going into that tournament, and my inclusion,
at the age of 40, had a lot to do with it. The criticism levelled
at us was greatly exaggerated, and no one does exaggeration like we
Italians. In spite of that, we believed in ourselves. Bearzot was a
down-to-earth person who was never swayed by the media or what was
going on around him. He saw things a certain way and refused to be
influenced by the circumstances. When Paolo Rossi was unable to
score, Bearzot really came under fire, with everyone telling him
he'd have to drop him and change this and change that. Instead,
what he did was extraordinary: he persevered with him and look what
happened. I think he did exceptionally well in that regard.
You have a whole host of records to your name, even if
Paolo Maldini took one off you. There is your mark of 1,142 minutes
without conceding an international goal, for example.
Yes. Maldini overtook me as most-capped player. I
had 112 caps, but he went well past that. But, you know what,
records are made to be broken. Moreover, to lose that record to
Maldini was almost a pleasure, as he's a truly extraordinary
player.
Am I right in saying that one of your proudest records is
the one you hold for consecutive games?
Yes. Some of my records have been broken, but
I'm very proud of my record of 332 consecutive games (in Serie
A), that is to say, 11 straight years in my national championship.
I will always be able to say that I was there, that I was
ever-present, and that's very satisfying.
Your international career was only four games old when you
won the European Championship, and you bowed at the age of 40 as
world champion.
From beginning to end, my adventure with the
national team was extraordinary. From the European Championship in
1968 to the World Cup in 1982 - you couldn't ask for anything
more.
You knew Lev Yashin well, I understand. What about
today's goalkeepers, do you follow them much?
Yes, I knew Yashin. We were good colleagues, but I
wouldn't say friends, as we lived too far apart for that.
I'll always be grateful to him for coming to my testimonial
game. He, (Joel) Bats and many others were there that night in San
Remo when I bowed out. What's more, he was one of the greatest
keepers of all time.
You have a lot of admiration for Bats too, don't you?
Yes. For me, Bats, was a very complete keeper:
alert, quick and with total command of his area. I've always
held him in the highest esteem.
Do you think the role of keepers nowadays is different,
what with the current rules on feet-first tackles and back-passing?
No, I don't think the goalkeeper's role has
changed that much. There was a time when, because of all the
madness with off-side, keepers were obliged to come out and make
those kind of tackles. Nowadays, the goalkeeper's role is
clearly a bit more complex. If they come out along the ground,
they're frequently penalised. Often they'll get yellow
cards or concede penalties, or the striker, instead of trying to
score, will push the ball out wide, hoping the keeper will make
contact with him. In that respect I think we had it better, as we
could come out feet first and with conviction. There was more
sportsmanship back then: the striker tried to score as opposed to
provoking a penalty. That's a change for the worst, because it
limits the keeper's ability to intervene. Now he has to always
wait and not commit, as the slightest contact and he could be
facing a yellow or red card and a penalty. So I'd say keepers
today are in a weaker position.
If you had to choose the best save you have ever made,
which would it be?
The best save I ever made was when I stopped the
ball on the line from a header by Oscar in the dying minutes of our
game against Brazil (in 1982). As I smothered the ball, the
Brazilian players were claiming a goal, and I had this horrible
feeling the referee would get it wrong and adjudge it to have
crossed the line. It was a feeling of absolute terror, so I just
stayed down, holding onto the ball for dear life and waiting for
the referee to see exactly where the ball was. I'd had a
similar experience nine years earlier in Romania, also with the
national team, only on that occasion the ref got it wrong and
awarded a goal. Those four or five seconds against Brazil were
sheer terror, as I couldn't spot the referee and was just
praying he'd seen it hadn't gone in.
Is there any save you would like to have made at a FIFA
World Cup?
Well, actually, I did make a pretty spectacular
diving save against Germany at Argentina 78. People always said I
wasn't showy or spontaneous enough. Well that was my answer to
them.
Can you tell us what it was like flying back to Rome on
President Pertini's plane after the 1982 Final.
That World Cup was an incredibly intense experience
for all of Italy. We were flown back to Rome by President Pertini,
who got caught up with all the emotion at the stadium. I ended up
playing cards with the President, Bearzot and Causio, and
that's how we spent the hour-and-a-half flight. Pertini was the
type of person who made you feel relaxed in his company, and he
seemed just like another member of the group. It was incredible.
When we landed in Rome, there was bedlam until we arrived at
the Presidential Building in Quirinale. Pertini then insisted we
stay for something to eat. I remember him saying: "I'll
sit here and I want Bearzot on one side and Zoff and all the
players on the other. If we have room for the ministers and
deputies, well and good. If not, then they'll have to go to a
restaurant." He really knew how to express himself, did
Pertini.
Do you think a single game of football warranted all that
outpouring of passion, all those celebrations in the street?
As a people, we've always had this passion for
football. It's incredibly popular here and straddles all the
social classes. That's why victories like that of the World Cup
are celebrated in that way. During that World Cup we delivered, and
we got to the final doing things the right way. Along with
responsibility, correctness was one of the things that typified
Bearzot. We achieved our goal by winning that title and flying the
Italian flag high. That was a pleasure, and it's only fitting
that the people should have celebrated as they did.
We have a small surprise for you. Do you remember
this?
(Holding the FIFA World Cup Trophy) Goodness me! How did
that get here?
Yes. Notice how heavy it is.
I remembered it as being much lighter. In Spain, in
all the excitement, it didn't seem to weigh anything. Now,
though, you can really feel its weight, its importance.
We recently visited Silvio Gazzaniga, the Italian sculptor
who created it. He is 84 now and he is touching it up ahead of the
next FIFA World Cup.
You know, I ended up, or to be more precise, my
arms ended up in that picture of Gattuso's that was used for
the stamp. What I mean is, that image of me holding the Cup is
never far away.
Would you value the Trophy aesthetically or is it of more
sentimental value to you?
Well, the memories it evokes are sentimental.
Aesthetically, I think it's a beautiful Cup, not at all like
your average trophy. It's very special.

An incredibly intense experience
The Winners

Antonio Cabrini
A regular fixture on the left for the Azzurri, he appeared in three FIFA World Cups TM.

Claudio Gentile
A rugged and tough-tackling defender who kept some of the world's greatest players at bay.
Dino Zoff
Capped 112 times, a legendary goalkeeper and world champion at the age of 40 and 133 days.
Marco Tardelli
A versatile defender early in his career before becoming a stylish holding midfielder.
Paolo Rossi
An opportunist extraordinaire whose uncanny positional sense and coolness in front of goal made him Italy's key player.
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World Champions

Germany 2006
The team captained by Cannavaro sealed Italy their fourth FIFA World Cup™ triumph.
Korea/Japan 2002
With a team loyal to its romantic past, the Seleção claimed their fifth world crown.
France 1998
The victorious French paraded down the Champs-Elysees after outclassing Brazil.
USA 1994
The Selecao ended a 24-year barren spell with victory in the States.
Italy 1990
In Italy, the resilient Germans claimed a third FIFA World Cup.
Mexico 1986
Under a fierce Mexican sun, Maradona's men clinched Argentina's second crown.
Spain 1982
Despite a slow start, Bearzot and his men secured Italy's third world crown.
Argentina 1978
After a 56-year wait, the Albiceleste celebrated in front of their raucous fans.
Germany 1974
Hosts Germany became the first winners of the new FIFA World Cup Trophy.
Player Statistics
| Opponent | GF | GA | R | Y | MNP |
| Germany FR | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Poland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Brazil | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Argentina | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Cameroon | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Peru | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Poland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
| Edition | Position | MP | GS | R | Y | MNP |
| 1982 | Winner | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 630 |
| 1978 | Fourth | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 630 |
| 1974 | Group matches | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 270 |