FIFA.com: Of the three FIFA World Cups you played in, which
was your favourite?
Cafu: I enjoyed the 2002 World Cup most of all, no
doubt about it. I was the Brazilian national team captain and had a
greater responsibility than at previous tournaments.
At USA 94, you came on in the Final for the injured
Jorginho. What did that experience mean to you, and did it serve
you well at later World Cups?
Of course, replacing a player of Jorginho's
calibre wasn't easy, especially as we were playing a World Cup
Final against Italy in the United States at the time. It certainly
was a very great responsibility, but the most important thing is
that we were prepared for that moment. I'd hoped my chance
would come one day and, that when it did, I'd be ready for it.
And thank God I was.
In footballing terms, do you think that your involvement in
that game (1994 Final) at that moment in time proved decisive? Can
you recall any particular attacking moves?
No. Nothing specific. A lot of things happened but I
can't think of anything specific. Nor can I recall a particular
incident just now.
Do you remember anything in particular about that Final in
1998?
What I really remember was when Ronaldo collided with the
keeper and went down. That stands out because we were all very
concerned about Ronaldo at the time.
In 2002, you received the captain's armband at the last
minute because of an injury to Emerson. What did you think when you
were notified, and how did you prepare for the role?
I was ready for it. The proof of this lies in the
fact that I'd already been Brazil captain before Emerson got
the job, so I didn't need any special preparation for that
role. I repeat, it was a huge responsibility but I was ready for
it, because I'd already captained the Seleção in nearly every
qualifying game, and performing that role in qualifying is not
easy. Therefore, when the World Cup came around, everything was
much easier.
With your experience, you were a guiding light for the
younger Brazilian players taking part in the FIFA World Cup for the
first time. What was the relationship like between the players in
the dressing room, at your training camp and later on the
pitch?
The relationship was excellent. They were young players, but
with a lot of experience. Moreover, they were all quality
individuals who had won titles with their clubs and were playing
first-team football, mostly outside Brazil. So, the only thing we
had to do was put them at ease, then let them come on the field and
play football, which is what they knew how to do best.
Do you think your leadership skills were important after
Ronaldinho had been sent off in the 2002 quarter-final against
England?
Definitely. Ronaldinho's sending-off came at a very
delicate point in the game, but we had already turned the scoreline
on its head and we knew that it would be impossible for England to
win that match after everything that had happened: the way we
turned the game around, the way we scored the goals. From that
moment on, every one of us gave that bit extra, and that's how
we won the game.
You spoke with Ronaldinho before he took that famous free
kick. Were you the one who alerted him to the keeper's
position?
The English keeper was always off his line. And of course it
was perfect the way he (Ronaldinho) put the ball where he did, and
that turned out great for us. Still, he was fortunate enough to
place the ball where he did and, the keeper couldn't get there.
But there's no doubt that all the credit should go to
Ronaldinho.
In the Final against Germany, you all seemed very calm. Was
everyone conscious of just what the team were on the verge of
achieving?
Yes. I've never seen a Brazil team in a World Cup Final
be quite so calm as we were in 2002. We all knew what we had to do.
We were aware of everything that was going on around the Seleção,
but at the same time, we were feeling really good. We were calm,
relaxed and we knew that that game could see Brazil go down in
history. That made the team feel a little more relaxed and, as if
to prove that, we did indeed manage to make footballing history.
When the game ended, you as captain knew you would be the
first to receive the Cup. At that moment, you took a deep breath
and made a beautiful declaration of love. How did that come
about?
That happened on the spur of the moment. Perhaps I'd
heard a voice mentioning Regina and it made me think of her.
We've been married for 20 years, she's been with me since
the start of my career. So, nothing could have been more fitting
than for me to pay tribute to her. I think at that point she was
much happier than I. She must have been celebrating much more than
I was, because we'd gone through a lot of things together to
get there. That's why lifting the Trophy then as a tribute to
Regina was thoroughly deserved.
And what about the message "100% Jardim Irene",
which was written on your jersey?
The inscription on the shirt was in homage to the
neighbourhood where I was born and lived for 22 years. That's
the neighbourhood where I was brought up to play football.
Everybody saw how I grew up there, together with Regina. So, that
was a nice tribute, for everything that they'd been through as
well as what they'd taught me. It's a poor neighbourhood,
but there are an awful lot of intelligent people there who ought to
be helped. So, that tribute helped to make the authorities realise
that if they helped them, that neighbourhood could end up producing
a lot more 'Cafus'.
What did you feel when you laid hands on the Trophy for the
first time in 1994?
It was a great thrill because it was my first World
Cup. I didn't know whether I was laughing or crying, if I was
emotional or if I was shouting my head off. It's a wonderful
feeling! A feeling of having done your duty, having done a good
job, and of being a success in life. The moment you're handed
the World Cup Trophy is the most joyous feeling in the world.
Did it feel any different when you raised it as captain in
2002, or was it like seeing an old friend again?
Exactly! It really was like meeting an old friend again. It
was quite an emotional encounter because I was the captain, which
was marvellous.
(He takes hold of the Trophy) I think I'll take it home
with me! Beautiful, isn't it? It's really wonderful. I
think there's no greater achievement for a player, coach or
trainer than to receive this Cup as world champion. It's the
pinnacle of your career.
Holding it in your hands now, do you see it as a work of
art?
Of course! It's a work of art and only those
people involved with football and the Brazilian national team know
how valuable it is. I think that in 2002 it ended up in the right
hands, those of the Seleção.
