Born in Milan, in 1921, Silvio Gazzaniga is the artist who designed and created the FIFA World Cup Trophy after its predecessor, the Jules Rimet Cup, was won outright by Brazil in 1970.
FIFA.com: In researching for this interview, I came across
a village called Gazzaniga in the Lombardian province of Bergamo.
Is there some family connection there, and would that be the
region's insignia on your lapel?
Silvio Gazzaniga: Well, as a matter of fact, I
have ties with Bergamo, as my grandfather was from the province.
I'm very pleased about that too, as the people are famed for
their strong character. However, the insignia is the Ambrogino, a
medal the city of Milan awards for civil distinction. I've
lived all my life there and have given a lot to the city.
Naturally, receiving it was very gratifying and a real honour.
How would you best describe your craft? Do you consider
yourself an artist, a sculptor?
I consider myself a sculptor of medals as, aside
from the occasional larger works, I've spent my entire life
doing medals and trophies, well cups to be more precise. That's
my main profession, so to speak.
Your creations are inextricably linked with the world of
sport. Have you always worked in this arena?
Yes, although not exclusively. I've also
created religious objects. My long-term involvement in sport is due
to an enduring collaboration with the Bertoni company, or GDE as
they're now called. I've been their artistic director for
forty-five years now.
What are some of the larger monuments you have created?
Well, there was the monument to the fallen
motorcyclists, among others.
Like the 'Madonna of the Lake', for example?
Yes, but the monuments were mainly in the field of
motorcycling. I've always worked for sporting federations.
It's my area of expertise. I've also made a reliquary for
the relics of St Anthony of Padova, as well as a host of medals
commemorating him for monks who where clients of ours. I found that
very rewarding and it gave me a rather good living.
I imagine people always ask you about the FIFA World Cup
Trophy. Do you enjoy the attention this specific trophy brings, or
do you think too much attention is devoted to it, perhaps to the
detriment of your religious creations?
No, I enjoy it because it's a very
well-conceived and centred piece of work. I also consider it an
artistic success, although its importance now goes far beyond its
value as a work of art.
Was it the first sporting trophy you ever created?
No, I'd already made a lot of trophies,
including one for the wrestling championship. I've also done
designs for various sporting federations over the years, like
motorcycling, and been very involved with some of them. It's my
specialist area after all. I've also worked for the
International Olympic Committee.
With regard to the FIFA World Cup, how did you hear about
the project to commission a new trophy?
It came about very simply. At the time I was
artistic director of the Bertoni company, and we were asked to send
some outline designs. For my part, I submitted two. Then I realised
if I wanted people to appreciate the trophy's real form and
feel, I'd have to make a prototype. So I made one and sent a
photo of it into the FIFA Committee in 1971, and they chose my
design.
Your decision to work directly with materials and create a
model trophy was rather unusual. Did you work this way because you
were convinced you had a great concept?
Yes, but mainly because the drawing by itself was
insufficient to express the sensations produced by materials. I
wanted the Trophy's ruggedness to transmit a sense of power and
energy, and its strong and marked lines to evoke dynamism. And I
think I was successful in this respect, because the Cup stands out
from other purely decorative ones (which are beautiful in their own
right) like the British cups, which are very traditional. This Cup
has its own personality and, you could say it's a work of
sculpture.
Is it true that you were holed up in your study almost an
entire week working on it?
Yes, more or less. As for the moulding, I
didn't want to add too many details, as it would've
cheapened the sculpture and lessened its impact. So I did the
sculpture all at once, although there were things to refine later.
In fact, at a later stage when FIFA asked to see the actual model,
I had to perfect some of the details of geographical regions on the
globe, something they considered very important. That was
painstaking and slow, but on the whole it was a quick process.
At what stage did you realise you had the finished article?
I knew it once I'd achieved what I'd set
out to do. Usually, you don't work without having a specific
brief from a company, so it was definitely a risk, both for FIFA
and myself. Once I'd completed the model, I knew that I'd
successfully done what I'd been trying to do.
Like those painters who are never finished with their
works, did there come a moment when you had to say, "Right,
that's it! No more!"?
No. With modern objects of art, if you keep on
refining them, they lose the originality and spontaneity that
initially gave them life.
Your being satisfied with it was obviously of major
importance, but when did you realise the public viewed it with
admiration?
Someone called to tell me that he admired my
creation, which was when I understood it could be appreciated by
anyone, and not just lovers of art. Maybe it's because the work
is spontaneous. Football fans also understand and appreciate it.
Footballers are not generally known for their appreciation
of works of art, but almost all of them are fascinated by your
Trophy. Why do you think that is?
I'd say it's because it was made in an
appropriate way and appeals directly to them.
You said once that you wanted to bring together the athlete
and the world in your trophy.
Yes, that's right. As this is the World Cup,
it's only logical that the world should form part of the
Trophy. Of course the world is spherical and, as such, very similar
to a ball. The human figures that emerge from the base material
extend upwards and support the world, which I also imagined as a
ball.
You also said you wanted the Trophy to symbolise effort,
harmony and peace. Can you tell us what you meant by that?
And dynamism too. The idea was to create something
symbolising exertion, dynamism and the jubilation of an athlete in
the moment of victory, with all the joy that contains. The
seemingly irregular volumes are what give it its sense of dynamism,
but in reality it has a harmonious energy of its own. The figures
that emerge from the rough base material evoke a sense of
jubilation in victory.
Some experts have claimed it is your Trophy's
spiralling shape that has made it a success.
It does ascend helicoidally, and it's this
ascension that gives it its harmony, or more precisely its powerful
harmony, energy and dynamism.
Where did the idea for those malachite rings come from?
Malachite is a precious stone, and it fitted the
sculpture well because it's green, like a football field. It
also gives a touch of colour to the Trophy, which, I think, suits
it. If it were all metal, it might appear a little dull. And as I
said, it is a precious material.
Do you know when you were making the Trophy that FIFA
intended to engrave the names of all the winners on it?
No, I didn't. If you look at it, you'll see
that it has small plates on the front for the inscription. There
are also smaller plates at the back, which also have a decorative
function. (If I'd known) I'd have put a bigger plate where
you could put the word FIFA, the winner's name and the year of
his victory.
Did you know that the winners' names are engraved
underneath?
No, I didn't know that.
Did you ever see the Jules Rimet Trophy?
Yes, I had seen it before I designed my one, and I
think it was also well-conceived and well-made. But I didn't
just want to create a copy of it. I think it was stolen anyway,
wasn't it? It was a cup that represented the era in which it
was made very well, just as I think mine does.
The sculptor who created the original trophy was a man
named Abel Lafleur. Had you heard tell of him?
Yes. At home I have some information on him and
even a photo from an old newspaper in which he's mentioned. He
was French, I believe.
You rightly mentioned that the Jules Rimet Trophy was
stolen. Are you afraid on some level that the same thing might
happen to your creation?
Well, you can see why someone would be tempted,
what with it being solid gold, but it wouldn't be a disaster,
as we made a copy using scagliola (a marble-effect Italian plaster)
and could use that to create another. The Jules Rimet Trophy, on
the other hand, being less sculpted and made from gold, would have
to be made directly from metal. The two processes are very
different. The process used in making my Trophy is the same one
used on larger statues: first you make a sketch; then you make a
preliminary model from clay; and then you do it in scagliola. From
that you can extract a mold in wax. A 'lost wax' method is
then used for casting, so-called because the wax cavity is later
melted and replaced by gold, bronze or whatever metal you're
using. That's how my Cup was made.
The Trophy was first unveiled to the public when it was
presented to Germany as winners the 1974 FIFA World Cup™. Franz
Beckenbauer was the first player ever to lift the Cup. Can you
remember where you were and what you felt at that moment?
I can't recall where I was on that occasion,
but I clearly remember the day Italy won it (in 1982). I was at
home at the time, and there were countless people rejoicing in the
streets. It looked like they'd gone mad. I remember it so well
as it was Italy's triumph.
Is it true you once said the Cup will always have a little
bit of Italy in it?
Seeing as it was made by an Italian, it's only
logical that there will always a bit of Italy in it.
Of course, the paradox is that if Brazil had not beaten
Riva's Italy team in 1970, you might never have had the chance
to create this Trophy.
That's sport for you. The ball is round, and
that means it has to rotate. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to
the opposition and accept defeat. That's part of sportsmanship.
Although you cannot remember Beckenbauer lifting the
Trophy, do normally watch the FIFA World Cup Finals?
Yes, of course. I'm not a diehard football fan, but I
really enjoy big games and finals, and try never to miss them.
Traditionally, prominent officials, from presidents to
heads of state, hand the Trophy to the winning captain. How does it
feel to see your creation handled by such important figures?
It's obviously very satisfying to see that, but
it's all part of the game.
The Trophy seems to produce a mix of reverence and euphoria
in those players who lift it, and it is practically venerated by
the general public. How does that make you feel?
I would modestly suggest that this intense
affection for the Trophy comes from the object itself, and what it
stands for. It is a symbol of victory, and they're thrilled to
have won it, which is why they kiss it as they would kiss a
religious relic.
What do you think of the assertion that Italy has given the
world two wonderful works of art: the Mona Lisa painting and your
Trophy?
Come on now! There's no sense in a comparison
like that. The Mona Lisa is of a different quality and is in a
whole different category. I appreciate the compliment, but
that's an exaggeration.
Modesty aside, you have to accept that every time the
Trophy is exhibited, the queues that form would not look out of
place at the Louvre.
That is true, but that's because, on some
level, they understand this Trophy better than they understand the
Gioconda. You need some training or knowledge of art to understand
all of Da Vinci's subtleties. The trophy can be understood by
anyone, perhaps not completely, but it's still a great popular
symbol and touches people.
And here it is, just to remind you.
(Holding the Trophy) It's very heavy, isn't it? It
looks like it needs a good clean. Even as it is, it's still
beautiful. It's like seeing a son or daughter come home after a
long time away. In fact, a work of art is a bit like one's
child, as it's a creation. And I'm not just talking about
the World Cup: the same is true for every thing I did. So many
works or art! It's very interesting to see it again.
All the former winners say a little piece of them will
always be imprinted on the Trophy. The same could be said of you?
Although they've won the title, I think there
is more of me than them in this Cup. It really is a part of me.
The Honorary FIFA President, Joao Havelange, said on
holding the Trophy: "I get older and older, but this Cup stays
forever young."
I could say the same, as I too am an old man.
However, works of art can endure. One of the most satisfying things
about a work of art is that they can survive the passage of time.
Life, on the other hand, is fleeting.
Did you ever imagine when you created the Trophy that more
than 30 years later it would become this incredibly potent symbol
and would be toured all around the world?
Not at all. I didn't think it would become so
important, particularly to young people, or that it would come to
represent peace. I'm very proud to have done my little bit to
help spread peace in the world through sport. Sport brings people
and nations together, and is much more important than many of us
believe.
